Subject: Apex seal oil
From: paul lamar
Date: 9/6/2017, 12:37 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink




I agree with the heat issues, because we found the 2 cycle
engines needed hot plugs to keep from oil fouling.

Paul, do I understand correctly that there is a certain amount of
oil injected or mixed in, for lubrication purposes? Is that oil
going past the plugs so fast that it is not a factor with regards
to oil/soot fouling?

I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around how differently the
combustion works with a rotary engine so I can understand the
physics a bit better.

Steve Thompson


Normally it is only one or two ounces per gallon. No
noticeably affect.
Up to 4 ounces per gallon is OK.  Surprisingly  cooling is the
main concern.

This chart is for the old cast iron seals. There is some R&D
going on in the UK
with no oil mixed for Iannetti silicon nitride apex seals. The
fuel is the only lubricant.
They are normally good to 1000 F while cast iron is limited to
500 F.

Mistral did everything they could think of to fracture them but
they were unable to damage them. Detonation and the whole nine
yards.

We have Iannetti silicon nitride seals in the time to climb
engine.
They are about $200 each and you need six.


There are some turbo charged rotary engine builders in the
world that still do not understand
this and they are trying to use steel apex seals. Steel is
hard on the chrome
coating while the projected life of the Iannetti silicon
nitride seals is 20,000 hours.
Not  2000 hours! 20,000 hours.

The Austro Wankel engine used in motor gliders have no TBO.
Unlimited life.
I have no doubt they are Iannetti silicon nitride seals.

Silicon nitride ball bearings are widely used in F1 engines.
Here is a bunch of specs on the ball bearings.

Paul Lamar.

Hi Paul, You mentioned that the TTC engine uses Ianetti
ceramic seals. I have been researching that topic, a little bit. Some
people indicate
that they are good for NA engines only, of detonation being a
real problem. Can you enlighten me and the group on your take, turboed
versus
NA.

Steve Carlisle

There are a lot of people out there with opinions.
What are their names, what is their education  and what have
they done?


We have data to support their durability.

Try 85 inches of manifold pressure.

Paul Lamar


Do they make those seals for 12a engine too?

Richie Barrow

I don't think so but you can try these people.

https://lucky7racing.net/products/fc-fd-apexseal-ceramic

Paul Lamar


Richief,  this site lists ceramic seals, also for 12A,

https://www.mazdatrix.com/b3.htm

Steve Carlisle

   Thanks but wow,
   200 ea to now 300ea!

   Richie Barrow

   Yes but the rest of the 12A was free :-)
   Are you building an airplane?

   Paul Lamar

Richie, yes expensive, $388.33 but considering that good core engines
usually cost under $500,
you have to conside the finished cost!

Stee Carlisle


I wish I could find a core engine that cheap.

David Mikesell.
San Jose, CA

I'll give you one if you come down and  get my mill working.

Paul Lamar


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