Subject: Measuring torque
From: paul lamar
Date: 1/3/2019, 12:17 PM
To: A10-Me-Earthlink




   The best way to determine the improvement made by turbocompounding is to measure
   output torque on a dyno. A good test cell will have a fuel flow meter, so you could
   calculate the BSFC as well. However, you could also do this on an airplane fairly
   easily. You could install an inline torque meter on the output shaft of the engine or
   simply instrument the shaft itself. For the latter option, you would need strain
   gages, an appropriate DAQ system and a slip ring assembly. This is commonly done in
   industry so it's a fairly straightforward job. Here's a good overview of how it
   works:

   https://measurementsensors.honeywell.com/techresources/appnotes/Pages/Ways_to_Measure_the_Force_Acting_on_a_Rotating_Shaft.aspx

   Plumbing a fuel flow meter on an aircraft is easy too.

   Fuel flow meter: https://www.emerson.com/en-us/catalog/micro-motion-elite-coriolis
   Inline torque meter:
   https://www.hbm.com/en/2384/t22-torque-transducer-for-simple-torque-applications/

   Hakan. Uras




   No question that a dyno would be better. Do you have access to a dyno at your
   Michigan university?
   Are you willing to test a one rotor turbo compound engine?

   It is too expensive out here in California. It cost $750 a day and it is time
   consuming to set it up.
       I doubt the local college has a dyno.

   Using the torque out put like the PT6 is the cheapest way to do it. Also rapid tuning
   changes can be read out immediately while actually flying.

   Here are some 3D's of the one rotor turbo compound.

   BTW does anybody on here know why Ron Grable died?

   Paul Lamar


I do have access to a dyno, but the time and cost to get the engine in the cell is prohibitive. Instrumenting the plane with strain gages to measure torque and a Micromotion flow meter to measure fuel is really not that hard. For me (an experienced mechanical engineer) it would be a few days of work.

Hakan Uras


You don't need strain gages if you have a helical gear box and we do. You need a gear box
for an aircraft rotary. Much much lower cost.

Paul Lamar

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